"Ask your doctor."
This is a popular catch phrase; one that is heard on TV, read in the news, and seen on billboards across the country. You also may use it when that weird co-worker shares a little too much information about his.. er, personal problem. Seriously dude, just ask your doctor.
The phrase has become engrained into our minds mostly through the marketing genius of pharmaceutical companies. Just about every drug advertisement we see on TV or hear on the radio ends with it. By now, I think we all know that many doctors have a special relationship with drug companies; one that benefits both parties. Doctors are often reimbursed financially for reaching "prescription quotas" and for getting a certain percentage of their patients to be vaccinated.
Think I'm making it up? Think again: https://projects.propublica.org/docdollars/
It's a win-win for everyone - except for the guinea p---uh, patients. The doctors get cash for doing pharma chores, and pharma gets to say "ask your doctor" and, because of their constant proactivity and enticing incentives, is assured that the doctor will likely recommend their products. The patients get to be drugged with all sorts of things that are supposedly going to fix their health issues, including becoming artificially immune to disease through vaccinations.
Through mass marketing in this way, the general public is led to believe that medical professionals actually know what they're talking about when it comes to prescription drugs, and specifically vaccination.
But do they?
A common argument is that nurses and doctors have spent a ton of time researching diseases and the vaccines that were designed to prevent them. We can trust our professionals to know what they're talking about in regard to vaccines, and count on them to never steer us in the wrong direction. Turns out, this couldn't be further from the truth.
I recently individually script interviewed ten current, former, and future medical professionals on this very topic, and they have shed light on some very important questions that we should all be asking. They're all nurses; the ones who actually administer the vaccines and provide all the paperwork on them.
None of these professionals know each other(at least to my knowledge), and are spread out all across the country. They don't even know the names of the others that are featured here, in the interest of totally honest, unbiased, and objective answers.
In an effort to make this piece as reader friendly as possible, not all of their perspectives will be used on every question. Not all the questions applied to all the nurses, either.
Before I continue, I'd like to make a disclaimer of sorts. I am
not "anti-doctor". I realize there are numerous good doctors and
nurses out there that don't simply care about the bottom line
and became professionals so that they could help people. I
respect the profession greatly, I really do.
However, I am also not "anti-science". Unfortunately, contrary to the popular narrative, science is not on the side of the doctors in regards to vaccinations. The science instead points to a baffling lack of safety studies, especially on vaccines, and a drought of knowledge in general about how the current vaccine schedule affects us in the long run. The science IS clear: Vaccines are not as safe as we've repeatedly been told, and they are also not as effective as we've been led to believe.
>Click here to see a downloadable version of "Vaccine Peer Review: The History Of The Global Vaccination Program in 1,000 Peer Reviewed Studies" - 1915-2015: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3mMkPwF1DUPckVEZ2JkMXV2ams/view
>Click here to see the statistics and amounts paid out to families of vaccine injured/deceased children in "Vaccine Court": http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/statisticsreport.pdf
>Click here to be redirected to a collection of scientific, peer reviewed studies that highlight why vaccines are not safe, and are in fact linked to a plethora of health issues: https://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/
As we know from listening to courageous doctors and nurses who've had their eyes opened to the very real dangers of vaccine adverse reactions, and the epidemic of vaccine induced chronic illnesses, there is very little training that future medical professionals receive in med school. In fact, a 2014 article in the pro-vax website preventdisease.com(that has since been removed from the internet due to backlash) highlighted the shocking fact that up to a third of all U.S nurses are leaving their jobs due to their realization that vaccines are not all they're cracked up to be. After witnessing what they have witnessed, they can no longer in good conscience continue to administer up to 70 vaccines in a single child, and up to 11 in one sitting, per CDC recommendations.
Are potential nurses and doctors taught anything at all about vaccine risks? How much time do they spend in their training discussing vaccines and how they are made, what ingredients they contain, etc?
Turns out, most med students don't even scratch the surface of this very important topic in school, except when it comes time for experimental flu shot drives, where they are taught how to administer vaccines, and to encourage everyone to get them.
But I'll let the med pros take it from here, as I don't claim to be one.
Most of them wished to remain anonymous, for fear of their livelihoods. Yes, it's that bad. Internet trolls against "anti-vaxxers" hold a strange and inexplicable power, due to the mindset still remaining in the majority. Nurses have been reported(by juvenile people that can't seem to mind their own business) to their superiors simply for speaking out and taking an informed stand; one that often doesn't coincide with the beliefs of their bosses. They have been fired for being vocal, a sickening pointer to just how vexing this topic can be for someone who feels passionately about it.
Wishing to honor their requests for anonymity, I've given pseudonyms to each "whistle blower", along with their real credentials. Remember, these are medical professionals who are now wide awake; whether by personal experience with vaccine injury/death, or by the growing number of chronically ill children that is not a coincidence in their eyes.
Thank God for these shining lights in this dimly lit environment.
However, I am also not "anti-science". Unfortunately, contrary to the popular narrative, science is not on the side of the doctors in regards to vaccinations. The science instead points to a baffling lack of safety studies, especially on vaccines, and a drought of knowledge in general about how the current vaccine schedule affects us in the long run. The science IS clear: Vaccines are not as safe as we've repeatedly been told, and they are also not as effective as we've been led to believe.
>Click here to see a downloadable version of "Vaccine Peer Review: The History Of The Global Vaccination Program in 1,000 Peer Reviewed Studies" - 1915-2015: https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3mMkPwF1DUPckVEZ2JkMXV2ams/view
>Click here to see the statistics and amounts paid out to families of vaccine injured/deceased children in "Vaccine Court": http://www.hrsa.gov/vaccinecompensation/data/statisticsreport.pdf
>Click here to be redirected to a collection of scientific, peer reviewed studies that highlight why vaccines are not safe, and are in fact linked to a plethora of health issues: https://therefurbishedrogue.wordpress.com/2013/05/03/my-list-of-peer-reviewed-vaccine-research/
As we know from listening to courageous doctors and nurses who've had their eyes opened to the very real dangers of vaccine adverse reactions, and the epidemic of vaccine induced chronic illnesses, there is very little training that future medical professionals receive in med school. In fact, a 2014 article in the pro-vax website preventdisease.com(that has since been removed from the internet due to backlash) highlighted the shocking fact that up to a third of all U.S nurses are leaving their jobs due to their realization that vaccines are not all they're cracked up to be. After witnessing what they have witnessed, they can no longer in good conscience continue to administer up to 70 vaccines in a single child, and up to 11 in one sitting, per CDC recommendations.
Are potential nurses and doctors taught anything at all about vaccine risks? How much time do they spend in their training discussing vaccines and how they are made, what ingredients they contain, etc?
Turns out, most med students don't even scratch the surface of this very important topic in school, except when it comes time for experimental flu shot drives, where they are taught how to administer vaccines, and to encourage everyone to get them.
But I'll let the med pros take it from here, as I don't claim to be one.
Most of them wished to remain anonymous, for fear of their livelihoods. Yes, it's that bad. Internet trolls against "anti-vaxxers" hold a strange and inexplicable power, due to the mindset still remaining in the majority. Nurses have been reported(by juvenile people that can't seem to mind their own business) to their superiors simply for speaking out and taking an informed stand; one that often doesn't coincide with the beliefs of their bosses. They have been fired for being vocal, a sickening pointer to just how vexing this topic can be for someone who feels passionately about it.
Wishing to honor their requests for anonymity, I've given pseudonyms to each "whistle blower", along with their real credentials. Remember, these are medical professionals who are now wide awake; whether by personal experience with vaccine injury/death, or by the growing number of chronically ill children that is not a coincidence in their eyes.
Thank God for these shining lights in this dimly lit environment.
What They Have To Say About Vaccine Education..
The Lineup
1. "Patricia": Registered Nurse(RN) of 7 years, studied nursing at Indiana/Purdue Fort Wayne
2. "Dee": Registered Nurse(RN) of 4 years, studied nursing at Daytona State College
3. "Lizz": Former RN of 16 years, studied at Vanderbilt University School of Nursing
4. "Lila": Registered Nurse(RN) of 6 years, studied nursing in California
5. "Tori": Registered Nurse(RN) of 8 years, studied at MPLS Nursing School
6. "Jana": Current nursing student in British Columbia
7. "Tabitha": Registered Nurse(RN) of 10 years, studied nursing in a state college in Florida
8. "Angie": Former RN, studied nursing at the University of Wisconsin
9. "Mel" Registered Nurse(RN) working toward Family Nurse Practitioner. Studied at Hawai Pacific University(BSN), the College of Southern Nevada(AN), and is currently studying at Florida Atlantic University(for FNP).
10. "Jen" Emergency Room RN of 13 years, studied nursing at Middletown, NY SUNY Orange.
All ten of these nurses volunteered to answer a series of questions I privately posed about their training on vaccines. I asked them to be honest, and as accurate as possible(for some it's been years since school) in answering the questions. I had many other professionals volunteer to be interviewed for this piece, but in the end I decided that ten would be enough, for readability's sake.
How much time would you say you spent studying or discussing vaccines during your training?
Dee: "We studied the vaccine schedule for about 20 minutes."
Patricia: "Ten minutes of discussion about the benefits. No talk of risks. Maybe 2 hours of training on how to give injections."
Tori: "As to the philosophical reason- only remember 1 day in a public health class. As to the mechanics of the immune system, roughly 1-2 days in microbiology."
Jen: "Almost none. Just that they were important and life saving."
Tabitha: "There was very little training in regards to safety with vaccines in school. During our pediatric rotation all I can remember is that we were told that they prevent disease transmission and that we need to make sure parents bring their children in on time for their shots or encourage parents to get the boosters for their children. I also remember the instructors saying that they were safe and only cause fevers and sometimes rashes at the site of injection. I don't remember anyone ever making a big deal about the potential dangers."
Lila: "I would say no more than one hour total. The bulk of the discussion was around learning the childhood vaccine schedule at the time. I vaguely remember a video that told us about small pox and polio."
Jana: "Vaccines are mentioned as examples of reasons infectious disease have declined, steps parents take with children, methods of neglect, etc. They are never discussed in depth but always just a quick 'common sense' example that usually includes a snarky remark about parents refusing and bringing back diseases or enjoying watching their children suffer. The class scheduled in microbiology to explain how vaccines work was skipped as the course was behind schedule. We were instructed to read the chapter on our own."
Angie: "I can’t recall any study or discussion on vaccines."
Mel: "Not a lot of time is spent actually discussing vaccines. In my current program we are only being told "to vaccinate everyone at all times, even if a child is sick". We are also told that Andrew Wakefield's work was fraudulent. Basically, we are told to vaccinate and ask no questions."
Were you aware at the time of the potential dangers of vaccination?
Dee: "I was NOT aware of vaccine dangers at the time."
Jen: "No. The only risks ever discussed were low grade fever and fussiness, maybe some injection site pain."
Tori: "Yes, due to my cousin's son irreversible and obvious vaccine injury."
Tabitha: "I never questioned vaccination even though my mother did when we were growing up. I had received my required boosters before nursing school and upon employment."
Lizz: "The only awareness of vaccine dangers was what was stated on the VIS forms. I did regularly administer vaccines until later in my career. I can't specifically remember training very well except for probably the same basic story everyone knows; active vs passive immunity was stressed. 'Vaccines gave all the benefits without the risks'. Don't recall any discussion of risk or mechanisms of risk."
Mel: "I was not scientifically aware of the dangers of vaccines, but I was always intuitively aware, if that makes any sense. For example, before I ever even really researched and started digging more in depth to the dangers of vaccines....I just had this feeling, so to speak. I worked on a heart floor and we were told to give every single patient that was being discharged a flu vaccine and if they were age appropriate a pneumo-vax. I always chose not to and I questioned why the vaccines would not freeze even while they were in the freezer. Later, somewhere I read there is actually anti-freeze in the vaccines."
Lila: "No, I was not. We didn’t discuss them in the pharmacology course either, so I was actually under the impression that they were composed of dead or weakened bits of viruses and bacteria, and maybe a saline solution."
Patricia: "Nope."
Jana: "Yes. My vaccine research is a large part of what made me want to become a nurse."
Was the vaccine discussion/training objective and unbiased?
Angie: "We never covered the topic at all."
Jana: "Absolutely not.."
Mel: "No, any discussion on vaccines in my schooling/training is never unbiased. It is always just pro-vaccine. Vaccinate and ask no questions, essentially. There is no room to even discuss it."
Dee: "No."
Lila: "No, because we were never told that there was another side to the story. With every other intervention, we would be taught how to recognize adverse effects or reactions and what to do about them. I do not recall ever talking about anything negative regarding vaccination."
Tori: "Absolutely not... Public Health officials view vaccine policy as their one great achievement and attach their significance to "eradication of disease" through vaccination programs."
Jen: "No... None of the instructors ever encouraged our own research."
Patricia: "Absolutely not. They simply fed us the same lines we all hear about how there have been no studies to prove they are harmful or cause autism. And then it was only addressed because one student asked."
Were open discussion and questions encouraged or discouraged when it came to vaccines?
Mel: "No questions are encouraged and every single student and teacher goes along with this mentality and you can feel that energy and you know not to speak up, because that could cost you."
Tabitha: "I don't remember any one questioning vaccination. We were all there to learn and being young and naive we trusted the system."
Lizz: "I don't recall spending much time on the topic of vaccines or questioning anything I may have been being taught about vaccines."
Tori: "There was no encouragement of discussion. When I brought up my family's story I was either told I must have been mistaken, a liar, or told it was about protecting the community and through protecting the community then the individuals will be protected."
Patricia: "No."
Dee: "Neither. We covered it for so short of a time that we moved right into the next topic."
Jana: "Never. There is always silence when vaccines are mentioned. I am surrounded by young students, very few of which have children. I doubt many of them know anything about vaccines past the assumption that they are a necessary part of life. The negativity of the instructor when frequently referencing "anti-vax" parents probably ensures no one will ever speak out in class."
Angie: "The topic never came up."
Lila: "I don’t remember any discussion taking place."
Jen: "There just wasn't anything to discuss - vaccines were just what is done."
Do you remember what type of literature you had to study on the topic of vaccination?
Jen: "Brief mentioning of how vaccines eradicated certain diseases in microbiology class and in nursing."
Lila: "We watched a video about the history of vaccination, and were given the childhood schedule of the time to memorize and be tested on. There was probably a section in our Maternal/Child health textbook as well, but I don’t remember spending much, if any, time on it."
Lizz: "Literature equalled standard Nursing textbooks."
Angie: "None."
Mel: "We have not been given any specific literature to study regarding vaccines. It is somewhat touched upon in our texts. I take peds in the Summer, so I am sure it will be a bit more touched upon then."
Jana: "Just nursing textbooks."
Dee: "A maternity textbook."
Patricia: "none beyond how to give injections."
Tori: "In my "journal club" we chose to read a meta analysis on the flu vaccine and discuss the findings. The amazing thing was the study stated there was not a significant reduction in flu cases for the young... The only significant protected group was the elderly. Also, required to read the Great Influenza (great book)... Discussed the development of medicine as a specialized practice in the US, development of antibiotics, and how the Public Health Departments were born."
How many hours would you say you studied on the topic of vaccination during your schooling?
Tabitha: "2 hours."
Tori: "I want to be very clear, there was not a "study" on vaccinations. I learned broad concepts on how the immune system worked and broad information on vaccines, i.e. only if the vaccine was live, attenuated, or an antigen. Not how vaccines are made, where they are made, what other chemicals are in them, or what they do to any other cell within the body besides causing an "immune response"."
Patricia: "10 minutes maybe."
Dee: "20 minutes.."
Jana: "One hour."
Angie: "None."
Jen: "So very little. The most emphasis was placed on how smallpox and polio were defeated by vaccines."
Mel: "So far, very minimal studying has been done in school on vaccines...maybe an hour at most. They just mention vaccines, say you have to know the schedule and to vaccinate every single person. No if ands or buts!"
Lila: "About an hour."
Lizz: "One or so. Probably rolled into a brief discussion about immunity."
How many hours would you say you studied on the topic of diseases; particularly vaccine "preventable" diseases, during your schooling?
Lila: "We spent quite a bit of time on nursing interventions for specific diseases, but I don’t think we talked much about VPD's since we were told they weren’t likely to be something we came across much."
Jen: "We had to learn the numbered rashes, what whooping cough sounds like, etc. I couldn't place a number of hours on it because not one lecture was dedicated to vaccines."
Mel: "I would say we study vaccine preventable illnesses.....here and there sporadically...I cannot say an actual amount of hours...but if I had to guess maybe 30 hours."
Jana: "Six or so."
Dee: "About an hour."
Lizz: Probably in the same "immunity" discussion, although this was not a hot topic 30 years ago. HIV was.
Tabitha: "A prerequisite to my nursing school was a class on microbiology. It was a full semester with lab and it was 5 credits total with the lab. It covered all sorts of diseases. Really made you paranoid. No drinking from a water fountain.... EVER."
Tori: "Once again only "studied" broad information in respect to "vaccine preventable diseases". Like this is "x" disease, symptoms are listed, incubation timeframe, vaccine schedule. So maybe half of a week."
How many hours would you say you studied on the topic of scientific vaccine research, during your schooling?
Lizz: "Zero."
Tori: "None."
Tabitha: "Not much at all.... I couldnt even put an amount on it."
Patricia: "None"
Mel: "We have never studied any actual research on vaccines."
Lila: "None."
Dee: "None."
Jana: "0."
Angie: "None"
Jen: "None"
When did you first become aware of the potential dangers of vaccination?
Jana: "In 2011 when I was pregnant with my first child. My sister's vaccine injury 36 years ago wasn't something my family ever talked about until I put the pieces together for them."
Mel: I became aware of the dangers....well, I had to get my Tdap updated about four years ago to enter into my FNP program. My arm swelled up huge, like a football player's and was red, hot and swollen. This lasted a couple of weeks. I could not even work for a week or more. To be honest, I have been sick ever since. I have something autoimmune going on. I am not sure what it is, but I feel my body go through "flare ups"....I am not 100% if it is related to this, but it is a definite possibility. Then, I have just awakened to more and more situations via facebook and my own research. I am in functional medicine as an R.N. and plan to specialize in this as an FNP as well.
Jen: "I first became aware when my own daughter had a vaccine reaction. That's when I started asking parents of seizing children if they'd been recently vaccinated and started noticing a trend."
Angie: "When I had my daughter, I started questioning them, delaying and spreading them out for her. I didn’t stop all together until after she was 2 and my son was 12mo."
Dee: "My first semester of nursing school."
Tori: "2003 for sure, but my family has a history of "typical" vaccine reactions, so I knew as a kid. I couldn't walk for two days after my MMR given to enter kindergarten."
Tabitha: "I first started to question vaccines before I was pregnant. I was hearing things about the flu shot and how much garbage was in it and how it was giving people GB and how it wasnt very effective. (We are required by our employer to receive a flu shot every year which started maybe 7 years ago. Before that you could opt out no problem you just had to sign a refusal... I found out from a manager that the hospitals started to get reimbursed for having a greater than 90% vaccination rate... that really ticked me off. I didn't know better so i kept receiving flu shots to be a good employee."
Lizz: "Late 90's- early 2000's. Obsessed with topic ever since. First odd experience is when a patient at the office I worked in questioned the safety of MMR. I called someone- CDC? and whomever answered the phone "took my head off" about how ridiculous safety concerns were. Well, that's never really a good sign is it? Not professional.
Second bizarre sign: fellow military reservist went to Africa or somewhere with her spouse. While there, her spouse began to be annoyed by the (non-existant) monkeys flying around their hotel room. When they got home he never made a recovery and eventually committed suicide. My friend felt this was caused by their travel vaccines and tried to alert me to the dangers of vaccines.
Finally my own child had a high pitched scream one day which a pediatrician later decided must have been "an eyelash in his eye or something". Problems ensued to this day for which the medical profession has been mostly useless."
Lila: "A year or so after I graduated and had my first child, I noticed that a high school friend posted on FB that she didn’t vaccinate her child. This led me to look into them enough to realize that they weren’t made of saline solution. I saw that Jenny McCarthy had started a “Green the Vaccines” campaign. Unfortunately, I didn’t really dig much further than that until the CDC Whistleblower story came out in the summer on 2014. I posted about it on FB, and thought it was going to become an international story and immediately affect the U.S. vaccine program. When I realized that it was a media blackout instead, I really started researching vaccines."
Did you share this information(your views) with teachers, peers, or medical coworkers?
Lila: "Yes, I shared it on FB which had a lot of medical friends and colleagues on it."
Angie: "I was unaware of the dangers at the time of my education."
Lizz: "I stopped working after my child was born(2002) and have gradually come to the conclusion that I could never participate in a traditional nurse's role again as long as it included administering any vaccines."
Mel: "I do not share this with my teachers bc they are very pro vax. Some friends I share it with, but my co-students do judge me, so I have to be cautious."
Tabitha: "Yes, when I was working and after I realized flu shots were not all that great I would say stuff and but didn't realize at the time how bad vaccines can be for the human body (or any body) and some nurses agreed, and others just lined up obediently. I didn't make a huge deal out of it. I didn't really have a lot of research to back myself up."
Jana: "No, I can't."
Dee: "No."
Jen: "I was long out of school when this awakening happened. Colleagues, for the most part, either say nothing or say I'm crazy. A few have quietly agreed. One was a PA who used to work for the medical examiner in NYC who was silenced when she tried to present a link between SIDS cases and vaccinations."
Patricia: "Yes."
Did you ever have to go against your better judgement to pass a test on vaccines?
Tori: "No... Because when I went to school there wasn't as much propaganda as there is now."
Dee: "The only questions I recall regarding vaccines was when to give them."
Jana: "Yes. I find these questions to be free marks on the test because I always know so well what the 'right' answer is, despite how strongly I disagree."
Angie: "No tests on vaccines."
Tabitha: "No, because during school vaccines were great so you just answer the questions as you learned the "right" answer."
Lila: "No."
Patricia: "Yes"
Mel: "Of course. Testing in FNP school is mostly like this. It is basically owned by big pharma and we have to go with that. It is all drugs, drugs, drugs."
Lizz: "To pass a test- no, I was still un-informed. Now- I would not be able to give an expected answer on a test which I felt was wrong."
Have you ever been bullied(in training or in the field) for your views on vaccines?
Mel: "I have never been bullied on my views, but I have had even the Dr. I work for make some snarky comments."
Jana: "YES. Not in nursing because I keep my views very quiet. In my last job I was constantly ridiculed by my boss. I felt no need to keep quiet about my views for that job."
Lila: "I was pressured to just get the flu shot this year by my supervisor because my first attempt at a religious exemption was denied. It was not bullying, just pressure because she was getting pressured."
Lizz: "I think my job experience is definitely bullying."
Tabitha: "I really started researching with the coming of our first child. I haven't had to go back to work yet so I have't had the opportunity to share my views with other professionals. My baby's pediatrician knows my stance and is supportive of parents choice but he encourages all patients to get vaccines(because of reimbursement). He doesn't want to say anything publicly about it because he doesn't want to be ousted by the medical community.... (this is a paraphrase of his summarized opinion)."
Patricia: "Yes"
Tori: "There is a ton of bullying in my profession. I do tell people of my cousin's experience and three other examples of vaccine injury that I've witnessed."
Jen: "Yes, employee health nags me annually about my declinations."
How much hands on experience did you have during your training? (i.e practicing injections or reading package inserts)
Jen: "One of our first clinical visits was to the nursing homes to administer flu shots. We were not encouraged to read inserts. They are usually not even supplied by the pharmacy in floor stock."
Angie: "Lots of practice with injections and we were required to participate in flu shot clinics administering IM flu shots to students and staff."
Mel: "I had a lot of training with injections, but never even saw a package insert."
Jana: "None yet."
Dee: "I gave a lot of vitamin K injections. Never a vaccine. "
Patricia: "Two hours."
Tori: "Only one day of skills lab practicing injections."
Tabitha: "We had a clinical day or 2 to teach us how to do different injections and were tested on it. I don't remember reading any vaccine inserts in school."
Lila: "We did a lot of practice in IM injections, but it wasn’t specific to administering vaccines."
How were you taught to interact with concerned parents on vaccines?
Dee: "The topic of concerned parents was never addressed."
Jana: "Haven't discussed this yet. That will be a bad day."
Mel: "I was never taught anything about concerned parents regarding vaccines. We are basically just told vaccines save lives, eradicate diseases and if a vaccine preventable disease is reemerging....push those vaccines."
Angie: "Never taught how to handle anyone that questioned it."
Lila: "This was not discussed in school. I did a Vaccines for Children training for work, though, and they told us to tell the parents that they had to get all the vaccines on time. We were told to show concerned parents the VIS sheets. We were taught that it is a “normal reaction” for children to develop symptoms of the measles for up to 10 days after the MMR."
Jen: "Scare tactics."
Lizz: "When I was administering vaccines it was the 1990's, I was still very naive and was not aware of vaccine injury, nor did I have to reassure vaccine hesitant parents. Since I could only encourage the use of vaccines, I could not possibly reassure vaccine hesitant parents. If I were a new naive graduate today, I would probably just follow whatever the office was doing. If the office "fired" parents for not vaccinating then I'm sure I would feel justified in supporting that. I relied on the information at hand to educate myself about the vaccines and frequently re-iterated whatever was on the Vaccine Information Sheets(VIS) or repeated the answers the doctors gave me."
Tori: "No discussion on how to interact with concerned parents."
Patricia: "I wasn't taught that in training. Only to encourage and educate patients and parents that it was the right thing to do."
Was true informed consent(informing patients of both the risks and benefits of vaccines) encouraged during your training?
Lila: "No."
Jen: "Yes, but we were not taught the true risks of vaccines."
Tabitha: "YES. Informed consent is a must during nursing school and in nursing practice."
Angie: "No"
Jana: "Yes. There is a huge emphasis on informed consent of the risks/benefits of procedures/meds. Vaccines are not singled out in this portion of the education. I get a strong feeling from comments made by the instructors that in the real world we won't have time for proper informed consent often."
Tori: "Absolutely not. I always make the doctors go in and get consent for vaccinations which I have not seen practiced by other RNs if there is a standing order."
Patricia: "No."
Dee: "No"
Mel: "No. For example, giving the patients on the heart floor the flu vax....you just give it. You don't even really ask if they have concerns. You just come in with the needle and administer the vaccine. It is what it is. No questions asked."
If no, what was the approach that your institution incorporated?
Mel: "As I stated above, you just give the shot. The patient is being sent home and the flu shot or pneumonia shot was almost like a little "bonus" they got to go home with. Kind of like, we are watching out for them."
Dee: "Again, we were just taught the schedule. It was a very short time spent on vaccines."
Lila: "We are to give them the VIS sheets which do not provide all of the necessary information for true informed consent."
Lizz: "Nurses must be attuned to the biases of the doctors they work for- they must share information in accordance with what their employers want them to do- nurses are not independent agents."
Tabitha: "In relation to vaccines, we were only required to give out those info sheets that are front and back."
Angie: "During our required flu shot clinic we were told to get as many people as we could to come get their flu shot."
Patricia: "Tell them(the patients) it's good for them, over and over."
In your estimation, how many vaccine injuries have you witnessed throughout your career?
Tori: "I have witnessed 4 severe vaccine injuries. Only one was at work. The other three were either family members or very close friend's children."
Lila: "In work and in my personal life I would say at least 150 cases."
Jen: "Countless. I don't even know how many before I was alert to the association with recent vaccines. Most of the time, parents are not even receptive to me planting a seed that the vaccines could be the cause. They are not ready to accept that something they "did" could be harmful. The guilt keeps the cycle going."
Lizz: "If nurses knew more about the dangers of vaccines I think more of them would feel ethically conflicted about administering them. I think now everyone is fooled into thinking that neuro-developmental problems are "genetic". I NOW know that genetics are involved in the extent of injury but I believe all vaccines are injurious."
Patricia: "I think it's impossible to say. About 20 coworkers who got the flu shot definitely had bad reactions. I think there are many many more adults with vaccine injuries than we are aware."
Dee: "I haven't seen any but I don't work in hospitals or places that give vaccination. I do know that 99% of my autistic clients have MTHFR though."
Mel: "I worked in the hospital, so I did not actually see vaccine injury. The patients go home and I do not see them again. But, I am so different now. I was at Miami Children's on Tuesday and as I walk through the hospital my mind is thinking....how many of these kid's illnesses are attributable to being over-vaccinated?"
Angie: "Personally, none."
Based on your experience, would you say the amount of training/discussion you had in school on vaccination was sufficient, mediocre, or insufficient?
Patricia: "Insufficient."
Jana: "So far yes, very insufficient. It's treated like common knowledge. It's assumed everyone just knows how important they are but no one ever explains them in any depth."
Angie: "Definitely insufficient."
Jen: "Not at all sufficient. And if I wasn't working in the emergency room and seeing these reactions for myself I wouldn't have the real world education that I've had either."
Mel: "I would say the amount we had was absolutely pretty much none. Basically, it seems that it is not even up for discussion. Their attitude seems to be, this is the way it is, do it like this and deal with it."
Tabitha: "HELL No it wasn't sufficient! Who pays for our literature? It's totally biased."
Dee: "Insufficient"
Lizz: "Based on my experience it doesn't matter what is presented in school because the science isn't being done. 'You give a vaccine, you make antibodies, you are protected' - that's all there is to it. There is so much more to it than that but it has been hard to find, especially when organizations such as the CDC fraudulently withhold data, there's poor access to the VAERS data, the VAERS data is completely voluntary so it's almost meaningless anyway, there's not transparent access to the vaccine safety data. All the lack of transparency, the deliberate google misdirections, the very system of research funding all goes against vaccine safety research and sharing of information.
Tori: "Completely insufficient. I have spent hundreds of hours studying information on vaccines, genetics, immunology, microbiology, and anatomy outside of school. I have read thousands of pages and if I don't understand something then I get text books out and read those. I am very fortunate because I live close to one of the best medical schools in the country... And I have access to journals through work."
Lila: "Woefully insufficient."
1. "Patricia": Registered Nurse(RN) of 7 years, studied nursing at Indiana/Purdue Fort Wayne
2. "Dee": Registered Nurse(RN) of 4 years, studied nursing at Daytona State College
3. "Lizz": Former RN of 16 years, studied at Vanderbilt University School of Nursing
4. "Lila": Registered Nurse(RN) of 6 years, studied nursing in California
5. "Tori": Registered Nurse(RN) of 8 years, studied at MPLS Nursing School
6. "Jana": Current nursing student in British Columbia
7. "Tabitha": Registered Nurse(RN) of 10 years, studied nursing in a state college in Florida
8. "Angie": Former RN, studied nursing at the University of Wisconsin
9. "Mel" Registered Nurse(RN) working toward Family Nurse Practitioner. Studied at Hawai Pacific University(BSN), the College of Southern Nevada(AN), and is currently studying at Florida Atlantic University(for FNP).
10. "Jen" Emergency Room RN of 13 years, studied nursing at Middletown, NY SUNY Orange.
All ten of these nurses volunteered to answer a series of questions I privately posed about their training on vaccines. I asked them to be honest, and as accurate as possible(for some it's been years since school) in answering the questions. I had many other professionals volunteer to be interviewed for this piece, but in the end I decided that ten would be enough, for readability's sake.
How much time would you say you spent studying or discussing vaccines during your training?
Dee: "We studied the vaccine schedule for about 20 minutes."
Patricia: "Ten minutes of discussion about the benefits. No talk of risks. Maybe 2 hours of training on how to give injections."
Tori: "As to the philosophical reason- only remember 1 day in a public health class. As to the mechanics of the immune system, roughly 1-2 days in microbiology."
Jen: "Almost none. Just that they were important and life saving."
Tabitha: "There was very little training in regards to safety with vaccines in school. During our pediatric rotation all I can remember is that we were told that they prevent disease transmission and that we need to make sure parents bring their children in on time for their shots or encourage parents to get the boosters for their children. I also remember the instructors saying that they were safe and only cause fevers and sometimes rashes at the site of injection. I don't remember anyone ever making a big deal about the potential dangers."
Lila: "I would say no more than one hour total. The bulk of the discussion was around learning the childhood vaccine schedule at the time. I vaguely remember a video that told us about small pox and polio."
Jana: "Vaccines are mentioned as examples of reasons infectious disease have declined, steps parents take with children, methods of neglect, etc. They are never discussed in depth but always just a quick 'common sense' example that usually includes a snarky remark about parents refusing and bringing back diseases or enjoying watching their children suffer. The class scheduled in microbiology to explain how vaccines work was skipped as the course was behind schedule. We were instructed to read the chapter on our own."
Angie: "I can’t recall any study or discussion on vaccines."
Mel: "Not a lot of time is spent actually discussing vaccines. In my current program we are only being told "to vaccinate everyone at all times, even if a child is sick". We are also told that Andrew Wakefield's work was fraudulent. Basically, we are told to vaccinate and ask no questions."
Were you aware at the time of the potential dangers of vaccination?
Dee: "I was NOT aware of vaccine dangers at the time."
Jen: "No. The only risks ever discussed were low grade fever and fussiness, maybe some injection site pain."
Tori: "Yes, due to my cousin's son irreversible and obvious vaccine injury."
Tabitha: "I never questioned vaccination even though my mother did when we were growing up. I had received my required boosters before nursing school and upon employment."
Lizz: "The only awareness of vaccine dangers was what was stated on the VIS forms. I did regularly administer vaccines until later in my career. I can't specifically remember training very well except for probably the same basic story everyone knows; active vs passive immunity was stressed. 'Vaccines gave all the benefits without the risks'. Don't recall any discussion of risk or mechanisms of risk."
Mel: "I was not scientifically aware of the dangers of vaccines, but I was always intuitively aware, if that makes any sense. For example, before I ever even really researched and started digging more in depth to the dangers of vaccines....I just had this feeling, so to speak. I worked on a heart floor and we were told to give every single patient that was being discharged a flu vaccine and if they were age appropriate a pneumo-vax. I always chose not to and I questioned why the vaccines would not freeze even while they were in the freezer. Later, somewhere I read there is actually anti-freeze in the vaccines."
Lila: "No, I was not. We didn’t discuss them in the pharmacology course either, so I was actually under the impression that they were composed of dead or weakened bits of viruses and bacteria, and maybe a saline solution."
Patricia: "Nope."
Jana: "Yes. My vaccine research is a large part of what made me want to become a nurse."
Was the vaccine discussion/training objective and unbiased?
Angie: "We never covered the topic at all."
Jana: "Absolutely not.."
Mel: "No, any discussion on vaccines in my schooling/training is never unbiased. It is always just pro-vaccine. Vaccinate and ask no questions, essentially. There is no room to even discuss it."
Dee: "No."
Lila: "No, because we were never told that there was another side to the story. With every other intervention, we would be taught how to recognize adverse effects or reactions and what to do about them. I do not recall ever talking about anything negative regarding vaccination."
Tori: "Absolutely not... Public Health officials view vaccine policy as their one great achievement and attach their significance to "eradication of disease" through vaccination programs."
Jen: "No... None of the instructors ever encouraged our own research."
Patricia: "Absolutely not. They simply fed us the same lines we all hear about how there have been no studies to prove they are harmful or cause autism. And then it was only addressed because one student asked."
Were open discussion and questions encouraged or discouraged when it came to vaccines?
Mel: "No questions are encouraged and every single student and teacher goes along with this mentality and you can feel that energy and you know not to speak up, because that could cost you."
Tabitha: "I don't remember any one questioning vaccination. We were all there to learn and being young and naive we trusted the system."
Lizz: "I don't recall spending much time on the topic of vaccines or questioning anything I may have been being taught about vaccines."
Tori: "There was no encouragement of discussion. When I brought up my family's story I was either told I must have been mistaken, a liar, or told it was about protecting the community and through protecting the community then the individuals will be protected."
Patricia: "No."
Dee: "Neither. We covered it for so short of a time that we moved right into the next topic."
Jana: "Never. There is always silence when vaccines are mentioned. I am surrounded by young students, very few of which have children. I doubt many of them know anything about vaccines past the assumption that they are a necessary part of life. The negativity of the instructor when frequently referencing "anti-vax" parents probably ensures no one will ever speak out in class."
Angie: "The topic never came up."
Lila: "I don’t remember any discussion taking place."
Jen: "There just wasn't anything to discuss - vaccines were just what is done."
Do you remember what type of literature you had to study on the topic of vaccination?
Jen: "Brief mentioning of how vaccines eradicated certain diseases in microbiology class and in nursing."
Lila: "We watched a video about the history of vaccination, and were given the childhood schedule of the time to memorize and be tested on. There was probably a section in our Maternal/Child health textbook as well, but I don’t remember spending much, if any, time on it."
Lizz: "Literature equalled standard Nursing textbooks."
Angie: "None."
Mel: "We have not been given any specific literature to study regarding vaccines. It is somewhat touched upon in our texts. I take peds in the Summer, so I am sure it will be a bit more touched upon then."
Jana: "Just nursing textbooks."
Dee: "A maternity textbook."
Patricia: "none beyond how to give injections."
Tori: "In my "journal club" we chose to read a meta analysis on the flu vaccine and discuss the findings. The amazing thing was the study stated there was not a significant reduction in flu cases for the young... The only significant protected group was the elderly. Also, required to read the Great Influenza (great book)... Discussed the development of medicine as a specialized practice in the US, development of antibiotics, and how the Public Health Departments were born."
How many hours would you say you studied on the topic of vaccination during your schooling?
Tabitha: "2 hours."
Tori: "I want to be very clear, there was not a "study" on vaccinations. I learned broad concepts on how the immune system worked and broad information on vaccines, i.e. only if the vaccine was live, attenuated, or an antigen. Not how vaccines are made, where they are made, what other chemicals are in them, or what they do to any other cell within the body besides causing an "immune response"."
Patricia: "10 minutes maybe."
Dee: "20 minutes.."
Jana: "One hour."
Angie: "None."
Jen: "So very little. The most emphasis was placed on how smallpox and polio were defeated by vaccines."
Mel: "So far, very minimal studying has been done in school on vaccines...maybe an hour at most. They just mention vaccines, say you have to know the schedule and to vaccinate every single person. No if ands or buts!"
Lila: "About an hour."
Lizz: "One or so. Probably rolled into a brief discussion about immunity."
How many hours would you say you studied on the topic of diseases; particularly vaccine "preventable" diseases, during your schooling?
Lila: "We spent quite a bit of time on nursing interventions for specific diseases, but I don’t think we talked much about VPD's since we were told they weren’t likely to be something we came across much."
Jen: "We had to learn the numbered rashes, what whooping cough sounds like, etc. I couldn't place a number of hours on it because not one lecture was dedicated to vaccines."
Mel: "I would say we study vaccine preventable illnesses.....here and there sporadically...I cannot say an actual amount of hours...but if I had to guess maybe 30 hours."
Jana: "Six or so."
Dee: "About an hour."
Lizz: Probably in the same "immunity" discussion, although this was not a hot topic 30 years ago. HIV was.
Tabitha: "A prerequisite to my nursing school was a class on microbiology. It was a full semester with lab and it was 5 credits total with the lab. It covered all sorts of diseases. Really made you paranoid. No drinking from a water fountain.... EVER."
Tori: "Once again only "studied" broad information in respect to "vaccine preventable diseases". Like this is "x" disease, symptoms are listed, incubation timeframe, vaccine schedule. So maybe half of a week."
How many hours would you say you studied on the topic of scientific vaccine research, during your schooling?
Lizz: "Zero."
Tori: "None."
Tabitha: "Not much at all.... I couldnt even put an amount on it."
Patricia: "None"
Mel: "We have never studied any actual research on vaccines."
Lila: "None."
Dee: "None."
Jana: "0."
Angie: "None"
Jen: "None"
When did you first become aware of the potential dangers of vaccination?
Jana: "In 2011 when I was pregnant with my first child. My sister's vaccine injury 36 years ago wasn't something my family ever talked about until I put the pieces together for them."
Mel: I became aware of the dangers....well, I had to get my Tdap updated about four years ago to enter into my FNP program. My arm swelled up huge, like a football player's and was red, hot and swollen. This lasted a couple of weeks. I could not even work for a week or more. To be honest, I have been sick ever since. I have something autoimmune going on. I am not sure what it is, but I feel my body go through "flare ups"....I am not 100% if it is related to this, but it is a definite possibility. Then, I have just awakened to more and more situations via facebook and my own research. I am in functional medicine as an R.N. and plan to specialize in this as an FNP as well.
Jen: "I first became aware when my own daughter had a vaccine reaction. That's when I started asking parents of seizing children if they'd been recently vaccinated and started noticing a trend."
Angie: "When I had my daughter, I started questioning them, delaying and spreading them out for her. I didn’t stop all together until after she was 2 and my son was 12mo."
Dee: "My first semester of nursing school."
Tori: "2003 for sure, but my family has a history of "typical" vaccine reactions, so I knew as a kid. I couldn't walk for two days after my MMR given to enter kindergarten."
Tabitha: "I first started to question vaccines before I was pregnant. I was hearing things about the flu shot and how much garbage was in it and how it was giving people GB and how it wasnt very effective. (We are required by our employer to receive a flu shot every year which started maybe 7 years ago. Before that you could opt out no problem you just had to sign a refusal... I found out from a manager that the hospitals started to get reimbursed for having a greater than 90% vaccination rate... that really ticked me off. I didn't know better so i kept receiving flu shots to be a good employee."
Lizz: "Late 90's- early 2000's. Obsessed with topic ever since. First odd experience is when a patient at the office I worked in questioned the safety of MMR. I called someone- CDC? and whomever answered the phone "took my head off" about how ridiculous safety concerns were. Well, that's never really a good sign is it? Not professional.
Second bizarre sign: fellow military reservist went to Africa or somewhere with her spouse. While there, her spouse began to be annoyed by the (non-existant) monkeys flying around their hotel room. When they got home he never made a recovery and eventually committed suicide. My friend felt this was caused by their travel vaccines and tried to alert me to the dangers of vaccines.
Finally my own child had a high pitched scream one day which a pediatrician later decided must have been "an eyelash in his eye or something". Problems ensued to this day for which the medical profession has been mostly useless."
Lila: "A year or so after I graduated and had my first child, I noticed that a high school friend posted on FB that she didn’t vaccinate her child. This led me to look into them enough to realize that they weren’t made of saline solution. I saw that Jenny McCarthy had started a “Green the Vaccines” campaign. Unfortunately, I didn’t really dig much further than that until the CDC Whistleblower story came out in the summer on 2014. I posted about it on FB, and thought it was going to become an international story and immediately affect the U.S. vaccine program. When I realized that it was a media blackout instead, I really started researching vaccines."
Did you share this information(your views) with teachers, peers, or medical coworkers?
Lila: "Yes, I shared it on FB which had a lot of medical friends and colleagues on it."
Angie: "I was unaware of the dangers at the time of my education."
Lizz: "I stopped working after my child was born(2002) and have gradually come to the conclusion that I could never participate in a traditional nurse's role again as long as it included administering any vaccines."
Mel: "I do not share this with my teachers bc they are very pro vax. Some friends I share it with, but my co-students do judge me, so I have to be cautious."
Tabitha: "Yes, when I was working and after I realized flu shots were not all that great I would say stuff and but didn't realize at the time how bad vaccines can be for the human body (or any body) and some nurses agreed, and others just lined up obediently. I didn't make a huge deal out of it. I didn't really have a lot of research to back myself up."
Jana: "No, I can't."
Dee: "No."
Jen: "I was long out of school when this awakening happened. Colleagues, for the most part, either say nothing or say I'm crazy. A few have quietly agreed. One was a PA who used to work for the medical examiner in NYC who was silenced when she tried to present a link between SIDS cases and vaccinations."
Patricia: "Yes."
Did you ever have to go against your better judgement to pass a test on vaccines?
Tori: "No... Because when I went to school there wasn't as much propaganda as there is now."
Dee: "The only questions I recall regarding vaccines was when to give them."
Jana: "Yes. I find these questions to be free marks on the test because I always know so well what the 'right' answer is, despite how strongly I disagree."
Angie: "No tests on vaccines."
Tabitha: "No, because during school vaccines were great so you just answer the questions as you learned the "right" answer."
Lila: "No."
Patricia: "Yes"
Mel: "Of course. Testing in FNP school is mostly like this. It is basically owned by big pharma and we have to go with that. It is all drugs, drugs, drugs."
Lizz: "To pass a test- no, I was still un-informed. Now- I would not be able to give an expected answer on a test which I felt was wrong."
Have you ever been bullied(in training or in the field) for your views on vaccines?
Mel: "I have never been bullied on my views, but I have had even the Dr. I work for make some snarky comments."
Jana: "YES. Not in nursing because I keep my views very quiet. In my last job I was constantly ridiculed by my boss. I felt no need to keep quiet about my views for that job."
Lila: "I was pressured to just get the flu shot this year by my supervisor because my first attempt at a religious exemption was denied. It was not bullying, just pressure because she was getting pressured."
Lizz: "I think my job experience is definitely bullying."
Tabitha: "I really started researching with the coming of our first child. I haven't had to go back to work yet so I have't had the opportunity to share my views with other professionals. My baby's pediatrician knows my stance and is supportive of parents choice but he encourages all patients to get vaccines(because of reimbursement). He doesn't want to say anything publicly about it because he doesn't want to be ousted by the medical community.... (this is a paraphrase of his summarized opinion)."
Patricia: "Yes"
Tori: "There is a ton of bullying in my profession. I do tell people of my cousin's experience and three other examples of vaccine injury that I've witnessed."
Jen: "Yes, employee health nags me annually about my declinations."
How much hands on experience did you have during your training? (i.e practicing injections or reading package inserts)
Jen: "One of our first clinical visits was to the nursing homes to administer flu shots. We were not encouraged to read inserts. They are usually not even supplied by the pharmacy in floor stock."
Angie: "Lots of practice with injections and we were required to participate in flu shot clinics administering IM flu shots to students and staff."
Mel: "I had a lot of training with injections, but never even saw a package insert."
Jana: "None yet."
Dee: "I gave a lot of vitamin K injections. Never a vaccine. "
Patricia: "Two hours."
Tori: "Only one day of skills lab practicing injections."
Tabitha: "We had a clinical day or 2 to teach us how to do different injections and were tested on it. I don't remember reading any vaccine inserts in school."
Lila: "We did a lot of practice in IM injections, but it wasn’t specific to administering vaccines."
How were you taught to interact with concerned parents on vaccines?
Dee: "The topic of concerned parents was never addressed."
Jana: "Haven't discussed this yet. That will be a bad day."
Mel: "I was never taught anything about concerned parents regarding vaccines. We are basically just told vaccines save lives, eradicate diseases and if a vaccine preventable disease is reemerging....push those vaccines."
Angie: "Never taught how to handle anyone that questioned it."
Lila: "This was not discussed in school. I did a Vaccines for Children training for work, though, and they told us to tell the parents that they had to get all the vaccines on time. We were told to show concerned parents the VIS sheets. We were taught that it is a “normal reaction” for children to develop symptoms of the measles for up to 10 days after the MMR."
Jen: "Scare tactics."
Lizz: "When I was administering vaccines it was the 1990's, I was still very naive and was not aware of vaccine injury, nor did I have to reassure vaccine hesitant parents. Since I could only encourage the use of vaccines, I could not possibly reassure vaccine hesitant parents. If I were a new naive graduate today, I would probably just follow whatever the office was doing. If the office "fired" parents for not vaccinating then I'm sure I would feel justified in supporting that. I relied on the information at hand to educate myself about the vaccines and frequently re-iterated whatever was on the Vaccine Information Sheets(VIS) or repeated the answers the doctors gave me."
Tori: "No discussion on how to interact with concerned parents."
Patricia: "I wasn't taught that in training. Only to encourage and educate patients and parents that it was the right thing to do."
Was true informed consent(informing patients of both the risks and benefits of vaccines) encouraged during your training?
Lila: "No."
Jen: "Yes, but we were not taught the true risks of vaccines."
Tabitha: "YES. Informed consent is a must during nursing school and in nursing practice."
Angie: "No"
Jana: "Yes. There is a huge emphasis on informed consent of the risks/benefits of procedures/meds. Vaccines are not singled out in this portion of the education. I get a strong feeling from comments made by the instructors that in the real world we won't have time for proper informed consent often."
Tori: "Absolutely not. I always make the doctors go in and get consent for vaccinations which I have not seen practiced by other RNs if there is a standing order."
Patricia: "No."
Dee: "No"
Mel: "No. For example, giving the patients on the heart floor the flu vax....you just give it. You don't even really ask if they have concerns. You just come in with the needle and administer the vaccine. It is what it is. No questions asked."
If no, what was the approach that your institution incorporated?
Mel: "As I stated above, you just give the shot. The patient is being sent home and the flu shot or pneumonia shot was almost like a little "bonus" they got to go home with. Kind of like, we are watching out for them."
Dee: "Again, we were just taught the schedule. It was a very short time spent on vaccines."
Lila: "We are to give them the VIS sheets which do not provide all of the necessary information for true informed consent."
Lizz: "Nurses must be attuned to the biases of the doctors they work for- they must share information in accordance with what their employers want them to do- nurses are not independent agents."
Tabitha: "In relation to vaccines, we were only required to give out those info sheets that are front and back."
Angie: "During our required flu shot clinic we were told to get as many people as we could to come get their flu shot."
Patricia: "Tell them(the patients) it's good for them, over and over."
In your estimation, how many vaccine injuries have you witnessed throughout your career?
Tori: "I have witnessed 4 severe vaccine injuries. Only one was at work. The other three were either family members or very close friend's children."
Lila: "In work and in my personal life I would say at least 150 cases."
Jen: "Countless. I don't even know how many before I was alert to the association with recent vaccines. Most of the time, parents are not even receptive to me planting a seed that the vaccines could be the cause. They are not ready to accept that something they "did" could be harmful. The guilt keeps the cycle going."
Lizz: "If nurses knew more about the dangers of vaccines I think more of them would feel ethically conflicted about administering them. I think now everyone is fooled into thinking that neuro-developmental problems are "genetic". I NOW know that genetics are involved in the extent of injury but I believe all vaccines are injurious."
Patricia: "I think it's impossible to say. About 20 coworkers who got the flu shot definitely had bad reactions. I think there are many many more adults with vaccine injuries than we are aware."
Dee: "I haven't seen any but I don't work in hospitals or places that give vaccination. I do know that 99% of my autistic clients have MTHFR though."
Mel: "I worked in the hospital, so I did not actually see vaccine injury. The patients go home and I do not see them again. But, I am so different now. I was at Miami Children's on Tuesday and as I walk through the hospital my mind is thinking....how many of these kid's illnesses are attributable to being over-vaccinated?"
Angie: "Personally, none."
Based on your experience, would you say the amount of training/discussion you had in school on vaccination was sufficient, mediocre, or insufficient?
Patricia: "Insufficient."
Jana: "So far yes, very insufficient. It's treated like common knowledge. It's assumed everyone just knows how important they are but no one ever explains them in any depth."
Angie: "Definitely insufficient."
Jen: "Not at all sufficient. And if I wasn't working in the emergency room and seeing these reactions for myself I wouldn't have the real world education that I've had either."
Mel: "I would say the amount we had was absolutely pretty much none. Basically, it seems that it is not even up for discussion. Their attitude seems to be, this is the way it is, do it like this and deal with it."
Tabitha: "HELL No it wasn't sufficient! Who pays for our literature? It's totally biased."
Dee: "Insufficient"
Lizz: "Based on my experience it doesn't matter what is presented in school because the science isn't being done. 'You give a vaccine, you make antibodies, you are protected' - that's all there is to it. There is so much more to it than that but it has been hard to find, especially when organizations such as the CDC fraudulently withhold data, there's poor access to the VAERS data, the VAERS data is completely voluntary so it's almost meaningless anyway, there's not transparent access to the vaccine safety data. All the lack of transparency, the deliberate google misdirections, the very system of research funding all goes against vaccine safety research and sharing of information.
Tori: "Completely insufficient. I have spent hundreds of hours studying information on vaccines, genetics, immunology, microbiology, and anatomy outside of school. I have read thousands of pages and if I don't understand something then I get text books out and read those. I am very fortunate because I live close to one of the best medical schools in the country... And I have access to journals through work."
Lila: "Woefully insufficient."
Conclusion
There you have it: The firsthand accounts of only a handful of medical professionals, who may not have all had identical experiences, but together have undoubtedly shined some light on the lack of sufficient education on vaccination around the nation. It seems, as we've heard before from other nurses and doctors speaking out in the past, that the system is set up to shield open minded, easily influenced students from taking an objective look into the science behind vaccination. It has been implied before, but it really couldn't be any more obvious that this attempt to hide the truths of imminent dangers is a carefully crafted one, starting from high above even the doctor's heads.
Again, I'm not anti-doctor. I believe that the majority of them honestly feel that they are doing what is best for humanity, and unfortunately are just plain ignorant on this particular topic. In reality, it's quite likely that if you've spent more than a month studying vaccines and the diseases they're designed to protect against, you probably know more than even your family doctor. Chances are, if you've read the vaccine package inserts, you've already done more than most professionals have, which is frustrating since the inserts explicitly instruct the pros to discuss all the risks with each patient.
Not to brag(well, maybe a little..), but my own family doctor admitted after a lengthy, respectful vaccine discussion at my youngest child's two month "well visit" that 'I knew more about vaccines than he did, and he knew more than most.'(paraphrase). Point is, don't let them bully you into a decision you don't feel comfortable with. The choice to vaccinate your children or not is YOURS(unless perhaps you live in WV, MS, or CA and have no choice but to send your kids to daycare and public school), and while it remains yours(emphasis) you need to study up and familiarize yourself so you can easily defend yourself if you need to. Doctors and nurses alike often give misinformation that they've heard from higher up. As we've demonstrated in this article, we simply can't buy into the fact that the average medical professional knows what is needed to make an informed decision regarding vaccines.
One could make the argument that with as much information as is easily available now, and with the rapidly growing number of people(including medical professionals and scientists) speaking out on the dangers and opting out for their families, that ignorance is no excuse. They'd have a point.
But really, the ones we should be focusing our sites on work for the government; namely the CDC and FDA. With a system that is so blatantly corrupt, and seemingly untouchable by mortal men, frustrations run high on this side of the fence.
It is not wise to antagonize those of us who have experienced vaccine injury first hand.
It will not bode well for those who make light the grave situation that we face.
It is ill-advised to mock those whose guilt and subsequent grief knows no bounds.
It will not stop us from speaking out.
It will not stop us from sharing the truth with whomever will hear it.
Although several of our nurses here wished to remain anonymous to protect their jobs, they all have one thing in common: an urge to make their voice heard, one way or another.
This is the only way we will ever succeed in educating the general public(and the medical industry, honestly) on the risks and dangers of vaccines:
One voice at a time.
There you have it: The firsthand accounts of only a handful of medical professionals, who may not have all had identical experiences, but together have undoubtedly shined some light on the lack of sufficient education on vaccination around the nation. It seems, as we've heard before from other nurses and doctors speaking out in the past, that the system is set up to shield open minded, easily influenced students from taking an objective look into the science behind vaccination. It has been implied before, but it really couldn't be any more obvious that this attempt to hide the truths of imminent dangers is a carefully crafted one, starting from high above even the doctor's heads.
Again, I'm not anti-doctor. I believe that the majority of them honestly feel that they are doing what is best for humanity, and unfortunately are just plain ignorant on this particular topic. In reality, it's quite likely that if you've spent more than a month studying vaccines and the diseases they're designed to protect against, you probably know more than even your family doctor. Chances are, if you've read the vaccine package inserts, you've already done more than most professionals have, which is frustrating since the inserts explicitly instruct the pros to discuss all the risks with each patient.
Not to brag(well, maybe a little..), but my own family doctor admitted after a lengthy, respectful vaccine discussion at my youngest child's two month "well visit" that 'I knew more about vaccines than he did, and he knew more than most.'(paraphrase). Point is, don't let them bully you into a decision you don't feel comfortable with. The choice to vaccinate your children or not is YOURS(unless perhaps you live in WV, MS, or CA and have no choice but to send your kids to daycare and public school), and while it remains yours(emphasis) you need to study up and familiarize yourself so you can easily defend yourself if you need to. Doctors and nurses alike often give misinformation that they've heard from higher up. As we've demonstrated in this article, we simply can't buy into the fact that the average medical professional knows what is needed to make an informed decision regarding vaccines.
One could make the argument that with as much information as is easily available now, and with the rapidly growing number of people(including medical professionals and scientists) speaking out on the dangers and opting out for their families, that ignorance is no excuse. They'd have a point.
But really, the ones we should be focusing our sites on work for the government; namely the CDC and FDA. With a system that is so blatantly corrupt, and seemingly untouchable by mortal men, frustrations run high on this side of the fence.
It is not wise to antagonize those of us who have experienced vaccine injury first hand.
It will not bode well for those who make light the grave situation that we face.
It is ill-advised to mock those whose guilt and subsequent grief knows no bounds.
It will not stop us from speaking out.
It will not stop us from sharing the truth with whomever will hear it.
Although several of our nurses here wished to remain anonymous to protect their jobs, they all have one thing in common: an urge to make their voice heard, one way or another.
This is the only way we will ever succeed in educating the general public(and the medical industry, honestly) on the risks and dangers of vaccines:
One voice at a time.
